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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:30 am

rubber, if they didn't eat the fruit, we wouldn't be sinning.
think of it as them being kids with no sense of right or wrong. they never thought outside the box or anything, and just lived life eating, sleeping, running around playing in a huge-ass garden taking care of animals

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:17 am

Sirlagalot dont you believe in evolution theory Surprised Anyways why didnt god just create a normal village with good people, and they would spread the humanity, instead of two kids with free will in a huge ass garden with alot of bad fruits.
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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:54 am

ask Him Wink

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:56 am

Hes not here to be questioned. Which makes me believe even less to God. I should ask the guy who wrote that story. He should have thought it better.
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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:38 am

well Moses wrote the first 5 books of the bible. and he is dead. and adam and eve were about 2000+ years before moses i think. you say he should have thought it better? the israelites spent 40 years wandering the desert. in that time God would have told moses what happened then.

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:43 am

oh about the evolution theory, i believe that humans can change to adapt, technically evolving, ie from cavemen to what we are now
i believe in genetic defects, that random flaws can occur, drastically changing a lifeform
i believe in natural selection and that outside influences can upset a system
but i DON'T believe that humans came from monkeys, or sludge, or whatever. there is NO way that our intellect or our sentience could have came into existence from random defects

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:20 am

Mm so Moses _could_ have just made up everything? Due to the heat of the desert he could've got some weird 'messages'. But anyways I've got a pretty stupid feeling because this case cant be really solved. When sience has proved that Earth came from Big bang and the Evolution theory is right, then they say God made the whole Universe (Which is imo more likely). And write more stories about it.
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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:27 pm

religion is also part of evolution people just need it in bad times and how the fuck you can belive in evolution and don't belive human comes from monkey?
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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:37 pm

I wonder how old God is o.O
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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:38 am

@knite, in that case, explain to me how evolution caters for intelligence and sentience
@zippo, evolution isn't just about humans coming from monkeys, you know...

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:41 am

To answer for Knite with my theory:
When we're small childs our brain had to grow as well. Evolution is nearly the same process, it grew part for part, giving us a little more intelligence as we grew. I guess this is why some of us are really smart, and some are a little less smart. It's a way of evolution.

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:48 am

sure, i see what you mean. but the evolution needed to make humans from mud or monkeys requires MASSIVE amounts of genetic mutation. sure, that might be possible if the earth is millions of years old, but i don't believe that. carbon dating can be screwed with, because of natural disasters, such as lava, or whatever. also, mutation can't account for sentience or intelligence

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:44 am

dont forget that the simplest "simple" cells are incredibly complicated. that order can NOT come from disorder (entropy, which disagrees with the big bang). and that life can NOT come from non-life (or something that doesnt live, like a rock)

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:43 pm

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also, mutation can't account for sentience or intelligence

Of course it can! How do babies go from speaking "bababadadah" to "Hello, Mr. SirLagALot"?

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:14 am

that's not intelligence being created, that's intelligence being developed
and it's not mutation, it happens to every baby

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:19 am

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also, mutation can't account for sentience or intelligence

Of course it can! How do babies go from speaking "bababadadah" to "Hello, Mr. SirLagALot"?
if a baby spends enough time near something, it will start to act like it, if acting like it includes learning to speak their language so be it

there was an experiment where this guy got a baby and a baby chimp and put em both in isolation, to see what would happen. the baby started acting like a chimp, and the chimp actin like a human

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:25 am

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and that life can NOT come from non-life (or something that doesnt live, like a rock)


well here you are disagreeing whit bible which says that man is created from ash and he will become ash and thats rigt cuz nothing disapear in nature something is dieing but something else is growing on it etc.
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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:15 am

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and that life can NOT come from non-life (or something that doesnt live, like a rock)


well here you are disagreeing whit bible which says that man is created from ash and he will become ash and thats rigt cuz nothing disapear in nature something is dieing but something else is growing on it etc.
God formed man from the earth, and breathed life into his nostrils

that means that adam was formed from the earth, but he wouldnt be living. God breathed life into adam, and adam was alive. life came from God, and God is also called the Living God

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:47 am

also, we now create people through different methods Wink

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:56 am

I disagree about the baby. The growing process of our human body IS mutation. We grow out from a simple cell to a complex being.

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:41 am

or is it so simple? an egg fuses with a sperm, and over 9 months grows like crazy? then over the next 20 years it grows another 150cm? that dont seem simple. my summary may seem simple, but it is what it is, a simple summary

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:40 am

There Is No God, Someone Just Maked It Up About How And That, And Now Some Old Lady Has An Tumor And Says I Will Give The Money To The Church So I Go To Heven And Don't Go To Hell. Becous She Bilives In God.

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:26 am

this story whit adam is bs we become what we are now cuz of mutations and darwin evolution teory isn't teory any more we have evidences like "lucy" and othere archeological excavations,it's imposible that creature as advenced as human was made like this,creating of new species
from othere isn't quick,only some not normal conditions can accelerate it but it's impossible to create human from nothing then it looks like this:



upper left is normal situation where average stats=best survival rate-here creation of new species is the slowest
upper middle is situation where extreme attributes=best survival rate here cratinf of new species is faster
upper right is when avarge stats=worst survival rate-here creating of new species is fastest one species become two new species

ofcourse creation of new species doesn,t mean that old one will dissapear both of them can live in same time in same place
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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:01 pm

Ofc it isn't so simple Bazooka, I never got educated, but that's my theory. Neither of us has been properly educated at this point so far, so it's hard to actually give a very detailed overview of it, but it comes down to evolution.

Humanity doesn't have a clue how such a single cell could grow out another 150cm and then becomes a grown man. But how can God have created Adam and Eve from nothing, and humans today the day grow out of a mother? It's all complicated, which side you choose.

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PostSubject: Re: God - Is he/she real?   Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:03 pm

so what is he/she or not ;D?
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